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HR, HCM and payroll: what buyers say on the call, and what to say back.

The objections, discovery questions and competitor answers that come up when you sell HCM and payroll. Read them free. Or load them into Ghost and have the right one on your screen the moment the buyer says it.

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Buyer"Your price per employee is higher than what we pay now."
Understood. Does today's number include the time your team spends fixing things and the tools you've added on?

What Ghost shows on your screen during a HCM and payroll call. The buyer never sees it.

When they push back.

The objections HCM and payroll buyers raise most, what to say in the next ten seconds, and what not to promise.

"Your price per employee is higher than what we pay now."

Understood. Does today's number include the time your team spends fixing things and the tools you've added on?

Do not drop price before scoping. Do not invent savings numbers.

"Switching payroll is too risky."

That's a fair worry. What would make the cutover feel safe to you and your CFO?

Do not promise a risk-free switch or a timeline before implementation scoping.

"We built our own HR tools."

Impressive. Who maintains them, and what happens when tax rules or laws change?

Do not dismiss their engineering. Look for the cost of maintaining it.

"This isn't the right time, we're too busy."

Got it. When would a project fit, given your payroll and tax calendar?

Do not push for a go-live during their busiest period.

"Security has concerns about our employee data."

What does their review focus on: access controls, data location, or something else?

Do not claim certifications or data locations you have not confirmed.

"We already use ADP and it's fine."

ADP is a strong payroll provider. Is it working for HR and managers too, or just for running payroll?

Never run down the incumbent. It pays their people every cycle.

Every one of these is a deal that slips a quarter if you fumble it. Ghost puts the answer on your screen while the buyer is still talking.

When they name a competitor.

Give them credit, then ask whether that vendor's strength matters to this buyer.

Workday

Workday is known for a unified HR and finance platform trusted by large enterprises. How much do you need that breadth, and do you have the team to run it?

SAP SuccessFactors

SuccessFactors is known for global HR depth and fit with SAP shops. How tied is this decision to your SAP roadmap?

Oracle HCM

Oracle HCM is known for a broad cloud suite that pairs with Oracle ERP. Is your finance team on Oracle, and how much does that shape this choice?

ADP

ADP is known for payroll reliability and compliance at every company size. Is your main need payroll, or the HR experience around it?

UKG

UKG is known for strength in time, scheduling and hourly workforces. How much of your workforce is hourly or shift-based?

Dayforce

Dayforce is known for continuous payroll and one platform for HR, pay and time. How important is real-time pay calculation for your team?

Paycom

Paycom is known for a single-database system and employee-driven payroll. How do you feel about employees checking and approving their own payroll?

Paylocity

Paylocity is known for mid-market payroll and HR with a focus on employee engagement. How much do engagement and communication tools matter to you?

Paychex

Paychex is known for dependable payroll and service for small and mid-size businesses. Is personal service from a provider important to you?

Rippling

Rippling is known for tying HR, IT and finance together on one employee record. Do you want HR to also manage devices and apps?

Gusto

Gusto is known for simple payroll that small businesses love. Is your company still small enough for simple to be the best choice?

Deel

Deel is known for hiring and paying people in many countries fast. Is your main need global hiring, or core HR and payroll where you already are?

Questions that qualify the deal.

Ask these on the first call. Then dig into the pain when they say it out loud.

Qualify

  1. What systems hold your employee data and run payroll today, and how do they talk to each other?
  2. What is the most painful part of a pay cycle for your team right now?
  3. When pay goes wrong or reports are late, who notices outside HR?
  4. Is there a date driving this, like a new tax year, a new country, or a contract ending?
  5. Besides HR, who needs to agree: finance, IT, legal?
  6. Have you set aside budget for both the software and the implementation work?

Dig into the pain

  • "We re-key the same data into every system." Which system do you trust most when the data doesn't match?
  • "Compliance gets harder every time we hire somewhere new." Where are you hiring next, and how do you handle tax and labor rules there today?
  • "Our managers and employees hate the system." What do they complain about most: mobile, approvals, finding information, or something else?
  • "We can't get good people data out." What question did leadership ask last that you couldn't answer quickly?

Know who is in the room.

Software that manages people from hire to exit. It holds the employee record, pays people correctly and on time, runs benefits and time tracking, and supports recruiting, performance, learning and workforce planning. Some vendors sell one suite for all of it; others focus on payroll, a single country, or one part of the employee lifecycle.

Who buys and who signs

Economic buyer
The CHRO or VP People, with the CFO as co-signer because payroll is a finance process and a large cost line.
Champion
An HRIS manager, payroll manager or HR operations lead who lives with the current system's gaps.
Users
HR generalists, payroll and benefits teams, managers who approve time and changes, and every employee through self-service.
Blockers
IT and security review the handling of personal and pay data; finance owns the general ledger integration; legal and works councils may weigh in on employee data and monitoring in some countries; procurement pushes on multi-year terms.

Signs the deal isn't real

  • HR is excited but finance has not been told.
  • There is no go-live window tied to a payroll or tax year date.
  • They want a price before sharing employee counts, countries or modules.
  • The current contract has a long time left and nobody has checked exit terms.
  • They have not budgeted for implementation or internal project staff.
  • The project sponsor is leaving or the company is mid-reorganization with no owner.
  • They describe the project only as "better reporting" with no operational pain.
14 words HCM and payroll buyers use
HCM
Human capital management, the full suite of HR software.
HRIS
The HR information system that holds the employee record.
System of record
The one source of truth for employee data.
Payroll run
One cycle of calculating and paying wages.
Off-cycle payroll
A payment outside the normal schedule.
Gross to net
The calculation from earned pay to take-home pay.
Tax filing
Payroll tax calculation, payment and reporting to authorities.
PEO
Professional employer organization, which co-employs staff and handles HR and benefits.
EOR
Employer of record, a provider that legally employs staff in a country for you.
Open enrollment
The period when employees choose benefits.
Time and attendance
Tracking hours, shifts, overtime and leave.
Parallel run
Running old and new payroll side by side before go-live.
GL integration
Posting payroll costs to the general ledger.
Onboarding
The steps to get a new hire set up and paid.

Selling HCM and payroll: questions

What objections come up when selling HR, HCM and payroll?

The most common are: "Your price per employee is higher than what we pay now", "Switching payroll is too risky", "We built our own HR tools", "This isn't the right time, we're too busy", "Security has concerns about our employee data" and "We already use ADP and it's fine". Each one above has a line to say back and what to avoid.

What discovery questions should I ask a HCM and payroll buyer?

Start with: What systems hold your employee data and run payroll today, and how do they talk to each other? What is the most painful part of a pay cycle for your team right now? When pay goes wrong or reports are late, who notices outside HR? Is there a date driving this, like a new tax year, a new country, or a contract ending?

Who are the main competitors in HR, HCM and payroll?

Buyers most often compare Workday, SAP SuccessFactors, Oracle HCM, ADP, UKG, Dayforce, Paycom, Paylocity, Paychex, Rippling, Gusto and Deel.

Who buys HR, HCM and payroll?

Economic buyer: the CHRO or VP People, with the CFO as co-signer because payroll is a finance process and a large cost line.

How does Ghost help on HCM and payroll calls?

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